Any Civil People Left?
May 19th, 2008 by Braddah LanceLast week’s blog mentioned an upcoming venting session but as the weekend has come and gone, things settled down and it didn’t seem as bad until tonight (Sunday).
Just watching the late news on KITV, there were three stories that started pushing my buttons. The first involved a good samaritan trying to help a couple being robbed in Waikiki. What happened? The samaritan intervened. The 18 & 19 year old Waianae kids punched him. He died.
The second involved a large fight involving 20 people. What happened? As officers responding to the melee, two officers were assaulted and one of them was a female officer more worse.
Then you get people expressing their right to protest. But is it a right to use hate words, slogans and antagonize people? Protest whether right or wrong, for or against public opinion I have no problem with but when you start using “hate words and slogans”, gimmie a break. You asking for a false crack medivac situation…and the lo-lo’s that were protesting weren’t even from Hawaii - they flew in from the mainland and chose an area I wouldn’t want to protest in! Thank goodness cooler heads prevailed.
Then the clincher happened around 10:30pm Sunday night. Our dogs were going nuts and ran to the back of the house so Da Wife and I go to investigate. What we heard was a couple fighting which didn’t phase us because we’ve heard it before. What got us involved - to an extent - was a second couple and then furniture crashing….and actual hitting. It wasn’t the full on throw blows deal but we heard a few slaps (skin on skin sound) and extremely loud yelling.
We called 911 and explained that it was possibly turning into a violent situation. Although we didn’t know the street name, we said that it was between our street and the main street - there’s only one street between the two so it shouldn’t have been hard to find.
Five minutes go by. Six. Seven. Sheesh, I could have walked to the station and sent someone over by now being that we only live less than a minute away from the Pearl City station. So I go online and look up the address myself - the EXACT street address and call back.
Five minutes. Six. Seven. Nothing.
Wassap Wit Dat?
Wow, it’s been almost 15 minutes and nothing. Someone could have been seriously hurt by now or heaven forbid, killed. I’m sure by now their nearest neighbors have called and expressed their concerns as well but after a few more minutes pass, the situation resolves itself to a reasonable decibel as two or three cars peel out and the people left in the house are left to clean up the mess.
Still no police.
Well I guess we can blame the vog……..
Tags: 911, Assault, Good Samaritan, Police, Protest, Violent
May 19th, 2008 at 8:28 am
i feel ya on all your irritations. i annoys me to no end when i hear that people are invoking “their right to ______” okay, so does your right to _______ give you a free pass to step on my right to _____. you know what i mean? lol! as for the police not responding…i don’t get it? all these PSA’s and domestic violence campaigns say to report it, but you do and then what? then you’ll get another situation like the one in ewa a couple of weeks ago and a bunch of people crying on tv asking, “why couldn’t someone do something?” all the while BL and the wife are sitting there saying, “we did! we called the popo’s and nada!” well something like that. hard to believe that every officer at pearl city was busy at that exact moment…good thing we pay taxes yeah?
May 19th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Very sad realities of living in a large overcrowded city with a (allegedly) under staffed police department. Nowadays it’s really just better to watch out for yourself than get defend someone else, like the purse snatching guy in Waikiki. A couple of years ago I was in Paris and witnessed a young kid grap a woman’s wallet out of her purse. She was a fool for having it wide open, but the kid turned back and ran away (towards my direction). He knew that I saw and I had a look like I was gonna tackle him, which I was planning on doing since he was like, 14. But then I noticed the knife in his right hand pointed towards my belly, so I didn’t tackle him, obviously. Anyway, all you can do nowadays is watch out for yourself and family. It’s a shame HPD has such a poor reputation of responding to everyday calls, and such a large force assigned to revenue generating ticket programs. Plus, Boise likes to sit crossed legged and talk story with protestors at the palace, so we know where his priorities are. Happy Monday, right?
May 19th, 2008 at 8:42 am
Oh don’t get me started on the d@m* cops! Too late. You know where the cops were last night? They were sitting at the exit to Mililani Mauka, not one but 2 cop cars. You know how much cops it takes to watch an exit that’s been closed for the whole weekend? Oh not to mention how much other special duty cops that it takes to sit in the middle of the road to make sure nobody goes down the blocked off town bown exit and the two special duty cops that are standing by the light in Mililani so people can U-turn (btw, no need cop for know that). Where they stay? Soaking up cruise money by duty special duty over regular work. If they like over time, work in the community, no just sit around and get paid $50 an hour. All those cops on special duty in Mililani could have been at your neighbors house, saving that poor man that got beaten up, helping out their fellow officers in the melee, or stopping that drunk driving case in Waianae that led to an innocnet childs death. Poho the cops, poho.
If they really like do something with significance, they should beef up the Leeward coast and set up drunk driving stops all weekend long , Permanently! That way, no need worry about innocent deaths.
Sorry Lance, all these special duty cops just irritate me.
May 19th, 2008 at 8:57 am
aaah das why hard! see in your situation BL, you coulda ran to that street to see what was going down and tried to break it up….but not after seeing the things that happens to good samaritans these days! i don’t feel safe doing the “good samaritan” deeds anymore because you just never know what will happen. i mean something as small as giving a homeless person food could set them off for no apparent reason, den you get hurt and they still get da grindz you know what i mean? as much as we like to show aloha and help out when we KNOW something wrong is going down, self-preservation keeps us all on the sidelines.
i no can believe that it took the police that long, and 2 phone calls and they never even showed up! eh when you call 911 and they ask you, “what is your EMERGENCY?” you kinda think they get the point that it’s important no? aigoo! WWD?!?!
about those protesters…they no more anything better to do than fly over here (not cheap!) and protest? what were they protesting about anyway (no can see the vid @ work)?
so sad that there is so much violence nowadays…it’s everywhere and the fear of getting hurt or killed trumps our natural instinct to help so we’re forced to just call the police to come do their job but then again, they might not show
May 19th, 2008 at 8:58 am
To add to the “Whea the police stay?” after you called them issue.
My house borders the main street and a cul de sac. Several months ago, I’m in deep sleep, and I “dream” I hear a puppy whimpering. I’m still sleepy and think to myself “Will someone let that puppy in the house already?” The whimpering continues…….I WAKE UP and see that my wife is peeping out the bedroom window. I get up and ask, “What’s going on?” and she points through the window blinds. There’s this car RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR WINDOW….not 8 feet away and there’s this couple (ahem) “Going at it”. Mind you, not domestic violence like mentioned above but more like “DOMESTIC BLISS” and what I thought was a puppy whimpering was HER WHIMPERING and she was ENJOYING IT. The car had tinted windows yet those yo yo’s had one window open all the way (guess gotta….as was getting HOT IN DEA). I look at the clock and its 4:45 a.m. on a Saturday morning.
They was “pau” and started up the car and left.
Several weeks later I’m in deep sleep…….and AGAIN I HEAR some whimpering. I get up outta bed and peep out the blinds. THEY AT IT AGAIN! This time I’m pissed so decide to call “911″
“911…..Police, Fire, or Ambulance”…………..POLICE
“Is this an emergency?”…………………….ah……..NO.
“Police”………………..ah…..there’s this car outside my window and there’s a couple GOING AT IT (to be continued)
May 19th, 2008 at 9:06 am
“What do you mean GOING AT IT?”…………..ah, this couple are GETTING IT ON.
“Huh?….you mean HAVING SEX?”…………ah……YES.
“I’ll send an officer over….what’s your address?”…….so I tell her my address and also tell her that the car’s started up and is idling. Don’t know how long the car will stay there and they may leave shortly. I look at the clock and it says 1:25 a.m.
I go back to the window and the car slowly pulls away from the curb, goes further in the dead end and STOPS. This BIG GUY who lives there gets outta the car………….SMOKING A CIGARETTE!!!!!! I thought they only did that in the movies?????
Anyways, I’m thinking “Shoots….the cops gonna come and ALL PAU ALREADY”. The girlfriend drives away and the guys sitting down in his driveway. Its now 1:45 a.m. and STILL THE COPS nevah come.
I go to sleep. A little later I hear a car slowly drive in to the dead end with the police radio chatter. I look at the clock and its 2:25 a.m.! I’m thinking, “Bruddahs……if you guys wanna CATCH these public fornicators in the act, you no can wait ONE HOUR! By den (of course) dey going be pau!”
The cop STOPS in the middle of the dead end…………radio chatter blaring away for the next couple of minutes….and the cop drives away.
So far they haven’t come back to DO THE DEED…………but I’m still hopeful.
May 19th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I hear you, Braddah Lance…tough to continually put up w/ those that don’t first consider their inner selves before acting out. Re. the police, I wonder if the dispatchers are permitted a certain degree of discretion as to what reported event is sanctioned priority given ongoing calls and available blue? For e.g., one afternoon, my children and I were eating our McDonald’s goodies in the Waikele shopping/Lowe’s parking lot when I notice two young men breaking into a car. I call 911, and upon reaching police dispatch, I report what’s taking place. Then silence, and more silence. My subsequent ‘hello’ was met w/ ‘can you please wait, just because I didn’t respond doesn’t mean I’m not doing something!’ OK, so I wait then finally describe what’s still taking place…silence again…’hello…’ ‘hey, I’m typing something!’ Needless to say, at that point, I was flustered so I go on the ‘what kind of public service is this, what if it was your car being broken into?’ rant, and that these hoods are about the split. The dispatcher then inquires ‘why don’t you go over there and tell them to stop!’ My comeback ‘What?! What if they have a gun or something?’ The clincher ‘well, you got to go over there and find out then!’ Obvious to say - there are winners as well as losers in our world.
May 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
I was visiting a friend in LA several years ago, and on the last night I was there, her home was robbed. She lived in a questionable neighborhood We had be out for the evening and returning pretty later, probably a little after midnight. After calming her down, I told her she needed to call the police. The windows of her home were open, and we didn’t want to touch anything for fear of messing up any fingerprints they might get. Well after a couple of hours, it didn’t seem like anyone was showing up. Finally the phone rang at 3 or 4 in the morning, and I answered it. It was the police calling to say they would send someone out in the morning. Huh? Okay, so we need to sleep with the windows open in a questionable neighborhood? Finally when the police showed up, they sent out a rookie. He made a mess of the place. We were told the police does not come out to the scene at night because it might be some kind of ambush. Again, I say, huh? I was totally irritated because the rookie cop made a big mess with the fingerprint powder and said in the end he could not get any fingerprints. In addition, they basically told her that she should kiss her stuff goodbye…
May 19th, 2008 at 9:18 am
It’s da end of da world……end of da world…..
I’m telling you BL…….I tryin REAL hard for have faith that society can heal itself. *sigh*
May 19th, 2008 at 9:25 am
time to take to the streets….
May 19th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Wow - everyone get at least one story li’dat eh? But I really wonder wat’s really going on? Are we that severly understaffed or does some officers only “prefer” to respond to “certain” cases?
I know they wouldn’t want to show up to a DV report solo which begs me ask to, while I know we’re small in comparasion to bigger cities, why do we have solo officers instead of partners?
Uh, den you no like read tomorrow’s one den……
May 19th, 2008 at 9:54 am
I was watching “Boys in the hood” the other day. Is Hawaii coming to that?
May 19th, 2008 at 10:04 am
I know that officers hate domestic violence cases the most because it’s really dangerous for them, and often the victims refuse to testify against the abusers.
It IS really sad to hear about what’s happening to good samaritans (remember the senior citizen that tried to help the lady that was beaten on the street by her husband), and to see what is happening in our communities. I think we have to balance those stories by other inspirational stories, like the coach that teaches his kids to do something nice and unexpected for their parents, and who has things in his truck just to help people with flat tires…
May 19th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Here’s what I don’t get: Another senseless tragedy on the Waianae Coast. This is starting to sound like a broken record. Another drunk/speeding/out-of-control driver barreling down Farrington Highway. Another head-on collision and yet another death. This time with a kid. And the kid was in his child-restraint chair. How many collisions have to occur or pedestrians being run over before the police place more speedtraps or at least have more of a constant presence along that stretch of road? I live in Hawaii Kai and there are cops with radar guns just about every day on Lunalilo Home road yet there hasn’t beeen one head-on collion or pedestrian being hit there. Yes, maybe people speed a little there, but everyday with the speed traps? Why not have speed traps on Farrington Highway EVERYDAY? Why not have more sobriety check-points along that road? I’m sorry if it would cause more traffic, but this is getting ridiculous.
May 19th, 2008 at 11:13 am
hey mjstc,…if i were you i’d write a letter of complaint to Boise and CC the mayor, and your council person. you’ll definitely get some response when you CC all them people and they can all see that each other got it. i’m pretty sure if you list the time, date, and number you were calling from they’ll be able to pull up which dispatcher was “assisting” (i’ll use that term loosely) you. i used to work in the admin office for the C&C EMS and whenever any kind of complaint was sent to the mayor, his office would follow up with us until we completed our investigation. we had to CC his office on everything we sent back to the complainant. worth a shot…hopefully that dispatcher would at least get a talking to.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I saw the protestors on the news. They were holding signs that says GOD hates Hawaii and they were from a baptist church in Kansas. WWD? lolo or what?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
M:
Did you see the other signs? There were many that said “FAG” and even had the stickman pics of one bending ovah and the oda…well, you get the idea.
Wow, and dat’s from “church go’ers” eh?
May 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Those protestors are old news. They made national news 2 years ago and that crazy lady did a round on the news talk shows. Any attention they get is a win for them, I’m disappointed in KITV and Daryl Huff for even showcasing them with a news story. Any sensible journalist would know the group is just attention hogs. KHON and KGMB was wise not to cover the story.
May 19th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
JuSaMee - thanks, that’s good directive advice.
At that time, I thought of informing those responsible, but that body/mind-boggling WWD experience just rendered me w/ that ‘why even bother’ syndrome.
Well, guess I shouldn’t even complain now given that I didn’t do so then…
May 19th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Yea, I saw that sign too Braddah Lance. WWD? what kine church dat?
May 19th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Not a church. 3 crazy families from Kentucky who travel the country and do exactly as they did here.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
The other thing that is difficult for me to understand is when good samaritans get sued! I mean, yes, as a “good samaritan” you can’t just do whatever you want, but, the things going on in today’s society make people, who would otherwise be willing to help, feel like they can’t afford to help due to the potential risk, whether physical or financial, involved. And, who will help the good samaritan when things go bad?
I hate to talk badly about the police. They put their lives on the line for us all the time and I would never want to be a police officer. Are they readily available? Not always, but, we don’t know what else is going on when we call for them (they are supposed to prioritize, right?). When you consider all the “irankoto” stuff they get called for nowadays like identity theft (I had to call once and it took a couple of hours to file the police report) and stolen copper wire, in addition to more ‘traditional’ stuff (like when doofus’ park in front of my driveway and have to get towed! ha!), I’d agree that they are probably understaffed with all of the paperwork they have to do. I agree that they could sometimes be doing better things than we see them doing (or not doing) and they could stand to respond more promptly… but, I’d hate to pass judgement if they are not fully staffed (aren’t our police officers often moving to the mainland?) and I don’t know if the disconnect starts at the dispatchers or not.
May 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Rogah dat! Believe me that I am not talkin’ stink about them. I have MANY cop friends and in fact that’s who I ultimately volunteer my coaching prowess for but when I did make the call I did specifically emphasize it was 1) a domestic, 2) bodily harm being done and 3) property damage. Wouldn’t that be alarming enough to warrant sirens blazing in? I didn’t hear in the news of any major crimes in the area for that time so it begs me to ask, why not the urgency to get there?
On the other hand, isn’t it the City’s duty to help serve and protect? Not serve and protect when you feel like? One of my friends was in training at the Waianae Station, he was specifically told never to enter fights and the sort without waiting for backup. The sad part is that they are there to protect, but when it’s, as munch says , self-preservation I’m sure they are thinking twice.
I do believe the police are severly understaffed and as such, more criminals are taking advantage. Just a sad situation all around.
May 19th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Braddah Lance,
Kudos to you and your wife for at least reporting the incident. Lots of people would make deaf ear and turn the volume on the TV higher. Most people no like get involved. But I encourage you and your Lanceformers to keep reporting stuff like this because one day, our actions may save someones life!
May 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
braddah Lance ;
you live too close to the station.. you gotta live up palisades where we get decent results from the…
the reason we have these things is bec ause oahu is getting too many people… you know the study that a psychologost did about the rats and when he had them in crowded quarters how they bite and do all kine stuff to each other? i tink was b.f. skinner…. anyways, how come the cops in waikiki nevah respond to that altercation?
I would help oiut but from how tings are going, i going keep my nose to myself not unless it involves my family, den you going find out what kind wrath i going bring upon you… nuff sade..
May 19th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Hey Lance. Kinda late but just gotta comment. I know what you mean when you say it takes the cops 4eva to arrive. Sometimes it does take a long time. Sometimes not. Guess it depends what’s on the blotter. Gotta say tho, the Waianae Boys in Blue are stepping it up. Domestics take about 5-10 minutes. Traffic accidents are really quick. Guess everybody’s short staffed now-a-days.
Here’s a tip to get a quicker response “I fear for my safety”, as in: “This A**hole will not LET IT GO” or when it’s a domestic, “They have__# of kids there”.
The police do what they can with what they got (how sad). Being out & about during the day more often lately, I see them more ofter. They even stop at the bus stop during school hours and ask the students for passes (hey, even the bus drivers do that! No pass? Off the bus).
Oh& hey! Aren’t special duty officers paid by whoever hires them?
May 19th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Why do you have to repeat that the boys were from Waianae? Why is it worse that one was a female cop? Besides not protesting, are you saying you wouldn’t want to be in that area otherwise either? I’m kinda disappointed in this blog. Just perpetuating stereotypical comments that we’ve tried so hard to change and overcome. Would you have said, “The Hawaii Kai kids punched him” or “The Pearl City kids punched him”? Would it be less worse if all the assaulted officers were men? If you had family in that area near Farrington, would you have said that you wouldn’t want to be there? Call me sensitive, but a lot of people read your blog and and can subconsciously take those kinds of stereotypical comments as fact. It’s a cycle really b/c life is what you believe it to be - keep spreading those “facts” and it’ll come true. It’s bad enough that the tv newscasts reach more people than newspapers do - can’t do anything about that. Everything on tv is glorified, taken outta context, and exclusive of a lot of things. At least with print you can try to be a little more conscious of how your words are interpreted by others. If this wasn’t on an established publication’s website, then I’d have no problem. This was kinda unprofessional. Blogs aren’t just blogs nowadays, people read them more than actual news so don’t think that your blogs don’t affect people’s thinking.
As for everyone’s comments about Waianae - everone’s entitled to their own opinion, I get that. So let me say this: I’m from Waianae. I’ve never driven drunk. I’ve never done drugs. I’ve gotten a degree and work 2 jobs. It’s not the place that solely makes the person, it’s their family, their education, the bigger society in which they live. The people of Waianae seem more troubled than others - ever thought WHY? The tv news hardly ever says good things about Waianae because the tv news is like anything else on tv - they need ratings, viewers, to keep your attention, they need the drama. The media made a big deal about it b/c a child passed away. I’m not trying to devalue the tragic event that happened to both families, but I’m just saying that it happens everywhere. The news sensationalizes everything, please think about every aspect of the story.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:58 am
jb,
I’ll concur that you are being overly sensitive. Perhaps the PC (politically correct) Police have influenced you. (j/k) Allow me to give a rebuttal to your post.
I live in Los Angeles Metro and for the past couple of years civic leaders have pleaded with the media not to use the term “South Central” to describe a certain economically depressed, crime ridden area of the city. These community activists felt that “South Central” was demeaning and wrongfully depicted their neighborhood by the news, television, as well as “gansta” rap. They wanted to put a positive spin for their citizens an increase civic pride. So now all the media outlets (newspapers, tv, radio) refer to this region as “South L.A.”
Has it changed the overall perception of this area? No. Is the crime rate still high? Yes. Has the economic status of the region increased? No. Are there decent, law-abiding, hard working citizens living there? Of course.
Change comes from within the community not by the outward perceptions. There should be more citizens like you who take pride in their city. But citizens fail when they accept, instead of condemn, the actions of those who demean the community as a whole. Complacency breeds contempt. We must stop this trend of political correctness for the fact that it does nothing to solve the problem.
This blog is not news per se, but rather an open forum of unfiltered opinion. Above all, those who contribute their positions, especially the host, are very respectful.
I appreciate reading your post, but I will respectfully disagree.
May 20th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Ho Braddah, valid points but hear me out.
First, if they were from Hawaii Kai, yes I would have said that also as I did in the Jervis incident mentioning they were from St.Louis. No matter because people would like to know who/what type of people are in their neighborhood. Just like my 9-1-1 call, now when I look at that house, I am a little more concerned for the people there and yes, I did mention Pearl City too. I also mention my hometown and the area I coach as well, Salt Lake - which isn’t a Hawaii Kai either.
Worse being a female cop? Yes, in every which way. They have to work harder than most being a female in a male dominated role and I don’t know about you but I’ve been raised nevah to lay a hand on a woman…and I would think it’d be a double whammy being she’s a cop as well.
As far as not being in a certain area - you’re right. I wouldn’t be there unless I had a purpose and no it isn’t that bad but it’s reality. Can you really see a bunch of haoles (a minority in that area) just cruising about there? I used to work a block away from there, ride my bike and run there. Me, not a problem. If I was protesting like that? Yes, a problem. You say you live in Waianae - you’re telling me there’s not a “known” place you wouldn’t be caught dead at unless you had a specific purpose?
Let me add this as well, there a ton of good, decent hard working people in Waianae. I have family there, ex-coworkers at QLCC but they will face reality and tell me not to be at a certain place too but it’s a shame that the negative outshines the positive.
jb, Mahalo sincerly for being upfront and honest - not too much of that in the world today. And I’m sorry you’re disappointed but if you’ve read enough you’d know that I’m not about that at all. Hope you still keep on reading and then you’d really find out what this blog is truly about or bettah yet, read the past ones…I’ve been told it makes for some good reading as well.
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Mahalos King Katonk! I’m glad at least there’s one person that gets this blog.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Yep. I’ve lived & worked here for the last 8 years. One thing I’ve noticed about the Waianae community: we’re like everybody else, but we’re more upfront about it.
Sure, we have a whole lotta homeless on the beach, but the westside probably has the most beachfront with bathroom facilities. Rent is cheaper here. We have druggies and alcoholics, mentally impaired people (just like any other community–only more). So yeah, you gotta watch where you’re at. Don’t know how the other guy is going to react to anything that you do. sometimes gotta use your common sense.
Positive side: The feeling of “Ohana”. A lot of people care for the community and are out there trying to make a difference.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Aloha Braddah Lance and King Katonk,
I too appreciate your guys’ honesty as well. I do have to say that perhaps being “overly sensitive” is what communities like Waianae need to show that there are people out their who care about their well being. Too many people are apathetic about the world around them - I just wanted to show how someone else might interpret this.
Braddah Lance - I’m not out to bash your blog or start an argument. I do read it from time to time and it does make for good reading sometimes and it’s a good conversation starter. Like I said, I just wanted to show a different perspective. As for the female cop thing, I’m a woman. I didn’t mean that it’s ok to hit a woman - it’s not ok to hit anyone. It shouldn’t be worse or less worse depending on sex.
Anyway, there’ll be people like me who twist words around to get a different meaning. Seriously though, I’m not out to argue - we’re all correct in some aspect. Glad you guys appreciate my honesty. I’ll keep reading and perhaps pop in more often (only 3 times now :-P)
~jb
May 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Thanks Cin, well put. I’m kinda long-winded.
May 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Ho, no way! No worries. I love when people honest and can understand/relate. There are others who are honest but just stupid/ignorant too - those the ones dat irk me.
See how simple?
But you jb, you cool. No worries. Argue? Nah, just healthy conversation. Bash? No read den.
I do appreciate you posting…even if it’s only three times…four now right? But who’s counting.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:20 am
jb,
No worries. It’s all good. I’m always open to hear different perspectives. That’s what makes us unique. I appreciate your honesty and I hope you’ll contribute when you can. This is what makes blogging so interesting.
BTW - after 3 posts you automatically become a Kwonics/Lanceformer.
Welcome to the club.
May 20th, 2008 at 10:24 am
theres places all over this island i wouldnt wanna be in unless i really had to… punks come from all corners of this island.
its like everytime something good happens for the waianae community, something like these two dummies trying to jack this ladies purse and killing that guy happens and it puts the entire community back at square one…is alway a few bad apples that spoils the bunch…but thats story of waianae. sad.
May 20th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
hmmm…i am here to respectfully disagree with some aspects of katonk’s rebuttal of jb’s post. you say that “change comes from within the community not by outward perceptions.” i disagree. and i know you’re not pinpointing waianae exactly but communities like it…but this has to be said……. it is the outward perceptions that greatly impacts a community like waianae. for example, if you [you in the abstract form], keep telling someone that they are stupid everyday, sooner or later, they will start to believe it as fact..no matter how strong minded they are. therefore, waianae is the way it is because of the perpetual stereotypes. I have not met anyone who has not raised an eyebrow when I mention that I am from Waianae…from people who have never even been to Waianae but only know what they see on the news or read in the paper. We must first understand the community as a whole (why are they this way? Why do people think this way of them?) before we can understand the individuals—a product of the community..which includes their families (as in the case of the two young men who assaulted and caused the death of the good Samaritan).
Waianae people complacent? Far from it. The government is just lucky that the people of Waianae are a lot more caring and a lot more forgiving and a lot more accepting than other communities…otherwise, where would the homeless go? Where would the state dump its trash (referring to Waimanalo gulch)? Do you think other areas would tolerate their community being at a stand still for hours upon hours after their telephone poles went down for a SECOND time in less than a year? No way.
You’ll probably rebut with some sort of neo-conservatist ideal…but I’m done. Peace.
May 20th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
and to BL, why is it worse because it’s a female cop?? you’re right, she must’ve had to work 10x harder than her male counterparts because it is a male dominated field..however, think of it this way, if both a male officer and woman officer gets shot and dies, is it sadder for the woman, because she’s a woman? Nope. Women already have it hard in this male dominated society, so please don’t “feel pity” just because she’s a woman…she’s a woman who made it in a man’s game.
blogs are not real news…just like how mypsace has no influence on it’s usersand onlookers…yah..sure.
May 21st, 2008 at 5:47 am
ES101,
By all accounts you feel that the folks from Waianae are all “Victocrats.”
(See Larry Elder for the definition)
You’re right about the “product of the community.” Have you ever thought that those two men could have acted as “good samaritans” instead of criminals?
Remember, it’s all about personal responsibility, not public perceptions.
If individuals cannot live up to the “sticks and stones” adage then they’ll blame everyone else for their own failures.
BTW - Larry Elder grew up in “South Central.”